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Thursday, April 13, 2006

Mexico and Americans Illegal Immigrant Comparison

There is alot of indignant rage on both sides when it comes to illegals and immigrations.

Illegals that come into this country want to have the same Rights as US citizens, they want to be US Citizens.

They have bypassed our Laws on entry into the US, and want the US Government to over look this 'infraction' and give them citizenship.

I have seen signs that not only do some want citizenship immediately, they want FREE health care, they want FREE Land, and even seen signs that say this land belongs to Mexico or Mexicans.

What they do not understand is there is a deep sense of Patriotism still in this country.
There is still Pride in being an American and the freedoms we hold dear.
There is still Pride in our National Symbol - The American Flag.

Burning the American Flag, we grit out teeth and say it is Freedom of Expression (though as illegals you are not entitled to that in this country - US Citizens Rights), but when you invert the American Flag and you put the Mexican Flag over top, making the American Flag seconds and not first, you have sent a very strong message to the American people. Just not the message I think you expected.

You pissed us off.

You could not have known what your actions meant, but by inverting (turning the American Flag upside down), you signal all Americans that Amercia is in dire trouble and by placing your Mexican Flag above the American Flag, you signal why it is in trouble - The Invasion of Illegal Immigrants.

You think American Immigration Policy is too harsh? Are you not aware of Mexico's Immigration Policy?

Let's review some of it shall we?

In general, foreign nationals are welcome to visit Mexico for a defined period of time to take part in non-remunerative activities (e.g. a holiday), and requirements for remunerative visits or longer stays (beyond 180 days) require special permits from the Mexican Consulate.


There are two kinds of permit: Non-Immigrant and Immigrant. Non Immigrant Permits are for people who intend to visit Mexico for a specific purpose and then depart. Immigrant Permits are for people who wish to live in Mexico, temporarily or long term.


Immigrant Permits are issued to foreign nationals who have the intention of gaining permanent residency in Mexico. Under immigrant schemes, you are permitted to reside in the country, provided that you fulfil certain criteria (as specified by the type of permit) for a period of up to one year. The permit is renewable annually, for one year, for a further four years. At the end of the five year period, you automatically receive residency status, entitling you to full rights and benefits as any other Mexican Citizen, with the exception of the right to vote.

After 5 years you will receive full rights and benefits of other Mexicans (you have to meet the proper criteria first, see below) and even though you have those full rights and benefits, you still will not have the right to vote.

Below are the kinds of people who can apply for Immigrant Permits, with a view to taking up permanent residency in Mexico:

* Retirees
* Investors
* Professionals
* Scientists & Technicians
* Artists and Sportspeople

If you are over 50 years of age, and want to engage in "non remunerative activities" and you are receiving funds from abroad (from a pension or other investments or fixed income) at least to the value of 400 times the daily minimum daily wage per month and a further 200 times daily minimum wage per month for each dependent (e.g. spouse, children) then you can apply for a Retiree Immigration Permit.
The average daily wage in Mexico is currently MX$45.24 a day.

You can receive an immigration permit if you are willing to invest your capital in Mexico. You investment can be directed at industry or services, and must equal a minimum of 40,000 times the minimum daily wage in Mexico City. [Ed notes - See Average daily wage in Mexico under Retirees.]

If you are a qualified professional, you can have your certificates validated by the Mexican Consulate and apply for an immigration permit to live in Mexico. You must be sponsored by a company who must satisfy the authorities that you are essential to their operative requirements.

Scientists & Technicians
If you are involved in science, or are a qualified technician, whether commercially or for education, you can apply for an immigration permit in Mexico. You may need to be invited by one of the established scientific or technical organizations in Mexico.

Artists and Sportspeople
These people can apply for an immigration permit. Each case is considered individually and entry is at the Interior Ministry's discretion.

Does this sound like under paid, looking for a job immigrants?
You better be a professional, or have money if you come to Mexico and want to stay.

Immigrant, Active: - i.e. you do want to acquire permanent residency in Mexico AND work there:

You will need to satisfy the requirements for entry (e.g. professional, sponsored by a company, etc), or be able and prepared to invest at least 40,000 times the minimum daily wage in Mexico City.

Immigrant, Non-Active: - i.e. you do want to acquire permanent residency in Mexico but NOT work there:

If you are of retirement age (50+), and have at least US$1,500 or equivalent income per month, then a Retiree permit will be your easiest route.

If you are not of a retirement age (below 50) and want to live but not work in Mexico, you will need to contact the Mexican Consulate. Provided that you can prove a permanent steady income in line with the regulations, you may be granted an FM3 permit to live in Mexico, which would be eligible for conversion to an FM2 in 5 years. You will need to state what you intend to do there, e.g. early retirement due to health, etc.

Money is allowed to stay in Mexico.
Athletes, Investors, Retirees with a lot of money are welcome.

So how do those that do not have money; that are exiles; political refugees; those that are looking for a better life that cross over Mexico borders illegally treated?

How the Mexican constitution treats foreign residents, workers and naturalized citizens

Promulgated in 1917, the constitution of the United Mexican States borrows heavily from American constitutional and legal principles. It combines those principles with a strong sense nationalism, cultural self-identity, paternalism, and state power. Mexico’s constitution contains many provisions to protect the country from foreigners, including foreigners legally resident in the country and even foreign-born people who have become naturalized Mexican citizens. The Mexican constitution segregates immigrants and naturalized citizens from native-born citizens by denying immigrants basic human rights that Mexican immigrants enjoy in the United States.

In brief, the Mexican Constitution states that:

• Immigrants and foreign visitors are banned from public political discourse.

• Immigrants and foreigners are denied certain basic property rights.

• Immigrants are denied equal employment rights.

• Immigrants and naturalized citizens will never be treated as real Mexican citizens.

• Immigrants and naturalized citizens are not to be trusted in public service.

• Immigrants and naturalized citizens may never become members of the clergy.

• Private citizens may make citizens arrests of lawbreakers (i.e., illegal immigrants) and hand them to the authorities.

• Immigrants may be expelled from Mexico for any reason and without due process.

Link (PDF format)

Should we employ this policy that Mexico does toward immigrants?
Illegal immigrants from Mexico, should we hold you to the same policy your government holds immigrants?

When you wave that Mexican Flag in the face of America, remember where you came from, and what Mexico's policies are.

Do you want us to hold you to those very same policies?

Article 32. Mexicans shall have priority over foreigners under equality of circumstances for all classes of concessions and for all employment, positions, or commissions of the Government in which the status of citizenship is not indispensable. In time of peace no foreigner can serve in the Army nor in the police or public security forces.


But there will always be sympathizers, those who seek to blame America for eveything.
Idiotic articles like this that will always blame American, and not the person(s):

More victims of US immigration policy: 14 Mexicans die in Arizona Desert

Fourteen Mexican immigrants, ages 16 to 35, died May 23 and 24 of dehydration and exposure in the Arizona Desert after crossing into the United States. The US Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) took another 12 young men into custody for treatment and questioning before deporting them back to Mexico. Two others are missing and presumed dead.


They died coming crossing the US border illegally!
They crossed over another countries borders and died in the desert.
How is that the fault of US Immigration policy?
Did the US FORCE these illegal immigrants to cross our borders?
Did the US FORCE these illegal immigrants to take their chances in the desert, where they died?

Of course not, they are responsible for their own actions.
But you have so many articles like this out there that cry that it is Americas fault because they came in illegally and died.

So how does Mexico really treat those that come across their borders illegally?
What about looking at their southern border.....

How Mexico handles illegal immigration from Guatemala to their south.....

Surviving Exile:
Edwin and Lucrecia decided to take their infant son Julio and flee by foot into Mexico. They chose Mexico, Edwin recalls, because of its reputation as a tolerant and democratic nation. The country had opened refugee camps in the south for the waves of mostly Mayan Indians escaping the violence in Guatemala, and permitted members of the country's political opposition to live safely in the capital.
But less than three months after arriving in Mexico City with his family, Edwin and two of his compañeros were arrested by Mexican security forces. The men were held incommunicado for days in a clandestine cell in the Federal Security Directorate (DFS, the Interior Secretariat's domestic intelligence apparatus) and tortured. DFS chief José Antonio Zorrilla Pérez himself directed the interrogation sessions. After three weeks of detention, Quiñónes and his companions were deported to Cuba and told not to return to Mexico for ten years. His wife and child rejoined him eight months later, when they managed a rendezvous in Nicaragua.


Lets look at Edwin and Lucrecia's ordeal, escaping from the violence in Guatemala they thought they would be safe crossing to Mexico:

The person who directed my interrogations was José Antonio Zorrilla Pérez. They called him "el coronel." He beat me, too. I still have problems in my spinal column because of his beatings, and he fractured several of my ribs.

The "colonel" would say to me, to scare me: "We're bastards, you know." He told me that the Mexican security people had executed Guatemalan opposition leaders.
They would beat me - my interrogator would say, "Whack him!" They threatened to throw me in the Gulf of Mexico, or to turn me over to the Guatemalan government. They would put a pistol to my head and say, "Aren't you afraid to die?" They would insult me in their Mexican slang, they hit me with the butt of their pistols. They wanted to make me understand that they were in control and that my life depended completely on them. You never knew when they would hit you or kick you. I realized during these sessions that anything could happen to me.

There were two kinds of torture they used on me: the beatings, which I received on my chest, my abdomen, my back. And the water barrel. Four of the six men would force me into a barrel of water and try to drown me. While my head was in the water they would kick my stomach to push the air out; that's how some of my ribs were broken once. They would shout at me, "Are you going to talk?" I would move my hands so they would take me out, but then I would shake my head no. So they put me back again. They did that repeatedly. Once one of them got angry with me when I didn't talk - he kicked me right in the face and split my nose open, then he grabbed me by the hair and put his cigarette out in the wound on my nose.

When we fled Guatemala, we thought Mexico would be safe. One time during my interrogations, Zorrilla told me, "We're after you people." I told him that I had always thought Mexico stood for human rights and respected the human rights of others. He laughed and said, "That's just a lot of stupid babble!"

This is torture, but we are criticized on how the US treats those in Gitmo.
Should we accept the same policy that Mexico does?
Do you still think American Immigration Policy is so bad after comparing it to Mexico's?

Perhaps we should start treating illegals like they do in Mexico:

The federalizes apprehend the immigrants at the boarded if possible, or shortly after the Guatemalans are trucked to the boarder in cattle trucks where the federalizes strip them naked, then beat them senseless and drag them back across the boarder.

When the federalies where questioned about this practice they responded , these peons need to be taught a lesson, how dare they violate our boarders. they have no rights here. and we can do what ever we want.

this practice has gone on for years despite the objections of
Amnesty International and other human rights organizations there have been countless deaths and injuries associated with this inhumane treatment.


It will never happen.
America will never treat any illegal that comes into this country like your precious Mexico does to those that cross their borders illegally.

So think of this when you wave that Mexican flag back and forth, taking pride in Mexico, touting it for the boon to humanity you seem to deem it as, while castigating and demeaning America and Americans; placing our American flag upside down and under the Mexican flag.

I am a proud American, and damn proud of it!

Others reporting and blogging on this issue:
Michelle Malkin, Expose the Left, Rightwinged, Rightwingnews, California Conservative, Amy Proctor, Leaning Straight up